Episode 44

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Published on:

28th Mar 2024

Wellness Beyond the Gym - From Classroom to Community

In this Episode we are talking to the lovely Gemma Pugh.

Gemma is a mother to two young boys, she left her head of science teaching job and embarked on a journey of fitness and community.

Gemma talks openly about leaving a job she loved to transitioning into her love of fitness, having the huge mum guilt and finding having a dog difficult!

You can find the fabulous Gemma talk openly about wellness BEYOND the gym at the following places:

Instagram: Gemma Pugh:Fiercely Fit (@gemmapugh_fiercelyfit) • Instagram photos and videos

Facebook: (7) Facebook

LinkedIn: (3) Gemma Pugh | LinkedIn

You can keep up to date with the host Helen here:

https://linktr.ee/Helencorsicadmore

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Thank you,

Hels x

Transcript
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So welcome to another episode of

Fabulous and Female and this week

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is my wonderful guest Gemma Pugh.

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Uh, Gemma is another fellow

Welshie so I'm obviously really

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excited to talk to another Welshie.

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Um, first and foremost though

Gemma is a mother to Thomas and

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Mason who are aged 11 and 9 and is

a wife to the wonderful Ritchie.

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By the end of December 2020 20, Gemma

created a supportive and inspiring

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community for women called Fiercely Fit.

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Until September 2021, Gemma

was head of science at a local

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Welsh medium comprehensive, a

job which she actually loved.

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However, the wonderful pandemic and

lockdown one gave her the opportunity

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to massively reflect on life.

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Um, by taking daily morning, morning

walks, which we all were allowed to

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do for that short time, listening to

podcasts, which brought her to the

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realization that a big passion of

hers actually laid in helping other

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busy women unlock their true potential

and to live their best lives through

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fitness and simple, healthy habits.

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So I'm delighted to have Gemma talk

to us a little bit about a transition

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from being in a job that she loved.

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Um, to where she is now and being

this fantastic facilitator of

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this wonderful fitness community.

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So welcome, welcome, lovely Gemma.

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Oh, thanks for that intro Helen.

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I love that.

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Oh, do you know what?

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It's always like the, you know,

the corporate sort of bio, like

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right, let's get all the details

out and then, yeah, and then we

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just go into normal life reality.

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Um, And before we, before we press record

on this, we would, uh, Gemma said, Oh,

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I've got a somebody in the background,

somebody who's said now, and I was

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like, Oh, a little waffle, the dog.

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I mean, you know, he's only a

year and I'm saying my Stan is 12.

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And I said, Oh, do you,

do you, do you love him?

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And I love that you were so honest.

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Your face said it all.

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You were like, um, yes and no.

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Having a dog is harder

than having children.

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You know what?

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More of a commitment.

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So is.

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And interesting, right?

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So what, just to talk about

dogs, you know I love dogs.

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So what is it though about

the commitment of having a dog

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that's more difficult than kids?

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Yeah, I don't know, like children.

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I don't know.

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I obviously really wanted children.

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I was a bit on the, on the

edge with having a dog.

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I guess I've, my children are

older now, so I've got a bit of my

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freedom back until we had Waffle.

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And it all starts,

starts over, doesn't it?

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Yeah.

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Anyone that's thinking of

getting a dog, it's, yeah.

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I, before, before I had my twins,

I I remember thinking like, Stan

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was the hardest thing in the world.

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I was like rushing back to, you know, make

sure I got back to walk him, to feed him.

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And she's going out and, oh

God, now I, I'm the opposite.

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Now I'd love just to

have Stan as my, Right.

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Okay.

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So a little bit of candid

honesty there from Gemma.

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So welcome Gemma anyway, to

the Fabulous Female Podcast.

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Gemma Atkinson Thanks.

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Um, take on, obviously we just

said the bio about the corporate

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bio, but tell me a little bit

more about Jemma Poo, the person.

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Um, so Jemma Poo, the person, yeah.

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So you've summed up in

terms of a mother of two.

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And I think that is my priority, being

a mum and trying to be a good mum.

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I think we all, as mums, always feel

like we're not getting it right.

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And I think we're quite hard on ourselves.

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Um, and the mum guilt,

I know I'm talking to.

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All of my girls, mum guilt

gets us all, doesn't it?

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Um, so the first, that is my main

thing about trying to be a good mum.

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And within that then is trying to

help other mums realize that they

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need to drop the mum guilt and that

it's okay to spend time on you.

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And it's more than okay.

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It's essential that we spend that quality

time on us alone, um, without any guilt

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because that makes us better mums.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Kind of where Feastly Fit stemmed from.

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So before, uh, lockdown and

my realization, fitness has

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always been my, um, therapy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Amazing.

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I always loved exercising, um, found

it difficult when the boys came along

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because I had a husband who worked away.

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Um, I created a community back then called

This Mum Can, which was a free Facebook

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group to try and do it similar to what we

do in Feastly Fit to let mums know, um,

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That you can exercise without the guilt.

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Yeah.

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And then fast forward to the pandemic.

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I was working full time as head of

science at a local comprehensive.

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Um, and I was super lucky

that I had a positive.

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Lockdown experience.

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I know that's not the case for everyone.

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And I'm, you know, I feel really sorry

for those that had really difficult

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times, whether they were working in

the NHS or had family members that

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got struck down badly by COVID.

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But for me, it was being a new mum.

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But a week before the

pandemic, I'm laughing now,

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but yeah, you did that alone.

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All alone.

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Yeah.

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So we obviously had completely

different experiences.

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So for me, my husband who was

working away all the time was home.

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He was furloughed.

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Um, I, as a teacher, so I was

head of science at the time.

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Uh, teaching that first lockdown

had not caught up with technology.

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So I was really fortunate.

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I had a team of nine staff, so I

would delegate out work to everyone.

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We would upload our work in

the night, and then I got to

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spend all day with my children.

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Um, and crucially, I, every morning

I went on a walk on my own, and that

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was my time to stop the first time

sitting, how old was my eldest then?

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Eight, nine years where I stopped,

I paused, I took a breath and I

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realized, gem, what are you doing?

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Yeah, I'd been on this path,

this narrow path I was following.

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All these promotions were

coming my way and work.

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I was taking them.

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I was young, I was eager, but I wasn't

really thinking beyond this narrow path

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of what society thought was meant for me.

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Yeah.

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Um, so.

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Gemma Poo then got her back, herself

back and found who I was and what my real

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passion was and I was lucky, right time,

right place, Covid really worked for me

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at the time and of everything and yeah,

fast forward, here we are obviously fit.

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Do you know what, we're going to go

into that a lot, but I would love to

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just take a couple of steps back there.

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Um, Isn't it interesting that you

said, like, what the, the society and

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the norm thinks we should be doing?

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And you, you know, like you said, you

were, you were young, you were grabbing

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all these opportunities to, you know, get

up in, in, in work and actually enjoy it.

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And the thing is, the good thing for you,

you didn't, you didn't hate your job.

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So it wasn't as if you were, like,

looking to leave as such, but it

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was an opportunity came your way.

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Why is it though, do you think

that as, and I'm going to say

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this, especially as women.

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Yeah, we feel the need to be this like

person of being, you know, doing all the

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things and always like high achieving

what, why do we, why do we do it?

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Yeah.

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Why do we do that?

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I think, you know, especially when you

become a mom, you feel like you have

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to be the best at your job, but the

best mother, the best wife, all these

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different hats you need, feel like you

need to be the best when actually, yeah.

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We don't.

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Why do we?

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I guess that's society again, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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You're meant to have it all.

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And I don't think social media

helps when everyone's posting these

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lovely photos of them, the kids,

and then World Book Day with the

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amazing outfits and all these things.

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And I'm like, oh my word,

is it World Book Day?

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My goodness.

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Right.

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Can I, can we just talk about that?

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Because if you have got children, you'll

know that it's A very, very stressful.

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All of these things,

all the time in school.

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Do this, do this, do this.

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And I get World Book Day,

right, is, is fantastic.

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It's actually one of the ones that

I get why it's, why it's done.

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Because it is, you know, it's

very, we're very fortunate.

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I'm very fortunate.

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My kids have got a bookshelf

with loads of books on.

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They actually don't like reading.

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That's something I'm working on.

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So I'm like, all these lovely

books, don't bloody read them.

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They're there.

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Yeah, they're there.

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Um, but actually, God, today and

last night, I'm in this group for,

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um, nursery for the, for the girls.

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And there was all these pictures being put

in of all their children really dressed

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up, right, and they looked bloody amazing.

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Do you know what my girls went in today?

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Come on, Helen.

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Bella went in in a Spanish dress up dress.

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I am not Spanish.

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I'm like, you know, a

bit of Italian in me.

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And Sophia went in with, um, her

poppy from, uh, Trolls dress.

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They're not books.

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I'm sure, I'm sure there's a Trolls book.

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Is there?

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And I'm sure there's a Spanish book.

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Well, the story behind it is, James

took them in today, my husband took

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them in, and the teacher said, oh,

what have you come in as today, Bella?

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Yeah.

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And James went, um, a

character from a Spanish book.

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What the hell?

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I was like, oh, do you know what?

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And I was just like, look at all

these lovely, lovely pictures of

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all these children come through

on the, on the WhatsApp group.

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And I was like, No, I am not doing this.

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I'm not conforming.

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I think that's it.

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Because you know, we ultimately,

there are pressures out there.

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Yeah.

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And we could decide whether

we let them get to us or not.

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Yeah.

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Fair.

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So I know my youngest tomorrow is

probably gonna go in a rugby kit and

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there are a lots of rugby books out there.

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There.

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Exactly.

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Right.

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And I know one of the

members spent a fortune on.

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On Vinted buying all this, okay Vinted,

you know, this secondhand and stuff.

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But still, you're still spending money.

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Yeah.

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For what's going to be

ruined in this series.

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Not doing it.

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So it's interesting you said that about

social because, um, As we know, very

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recently, socials disappeared for,

what was it, like a couple of hours.

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I didn't even notice, to be honest.

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I don't spend my life on

socials, but a lot of people do.

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And actually, going back 20 years ago,

you know, when I'm 43 next month, like

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20 years ago, they weren't really around.

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No, they weren't.

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They weren't.

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Like, were they even around then?

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I didn't even know.

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But they weren't around.

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So, I think you're right there.

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The pressure now.

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That we, and this is the thing, right,

we bring this pressure into our world.

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We're on social media.

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We're guilty of it, aren't we?

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I'm guilty of it.

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We allow it.

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Yeah.

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We allow it.

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Um, but yeah.

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So it's so interesting.

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So I want to just, I want

to go back a bit again.

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So when you were going on these

daily walks, I mean, love the

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fact you said on your own, like

on your own, your time for Gemma.

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Tell me about that moment when

you just went, do you know

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what, I'm going to do this.

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So it was a series of things.

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Um, so I started listening.

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I discovered Dr.

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Chatterjee, who I love.

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I love Dr.

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Chatterjee.

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He's amazing.

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Yeah.

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He's changed my life.

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Honest now, my, my mindset, and you

know, people say you can change.

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I am a different person to what I was

three years ago from, Just being open

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and listen to other people's opinions.

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There's a wealth of knowledge

out there on podcasts.

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Yeah.

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Like yours.

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And, um, I discovered on his podcast

then someone called Peter Crone.

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Okay.

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He's known as the mind architect

and there were loads of things

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that he said, but one of my biggest

discoveries, and this kind of links

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back to that society norm was judgment.

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I was so judgmental of others.

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And even more so judgmental of myself.

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That was a huge thing.

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Massive.

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And that Peter Crone, listen to his

podcast really made me get out of

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that and realize, do you know what?

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And one thing he says is that if you,

so I was quite judgmental of, people

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quite close to me and um, he said if

you were to live their life exactly the

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way they had, so gone through all their

experiences from birth, through childhood,

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through adulthood, you would respond

and react exactly the same as them.

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So if you've got anyone in your life where

they just, You know, they get to you.

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If you just listen to this on audio,

Gemma's like, like gritting her teeth

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and like, uh, clenching her fists there.

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Get it?

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Yeah.

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I've got a not very pleasant

neighbor at the moment, so I'm

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trying to remind myself this.

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So if you were to live their

life exactly as they had, you

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would respond the same as them.

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So they're responding due to their, uh,

Personal experiences and their backgrounds

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and, and it's not necessarily their

fault for the way they're behaving.

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So it's that understanding and then

going towards it with some love and

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compassion and empathy to their situation

and realizing it's not a reflection

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on you, it's a reflection on them.

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And then that has helped me being,

stop being judgmental of others

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and also then to not be so harsh

on myself with all society norms.

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Yeah, do you know what, that's so

relevant and it's one of the things

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that as a coach as well, I work with

a lot of my clients on because We, we

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can't control other people's thoughts.

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We absolutely can't.

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And whatever society, their

values, their beliefs, normally

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the things that we think and we

believe in have come from childhood.

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We've got no control over that

and it's none of my business

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really what other people think.

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That's something that I

massively relate to that.

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It's still hard though, isn't it?

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Oh, it's bloody hard.

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I love people and I find it

hard when they don't like me.

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I find it really hard, but

that's something I'm working on.

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Who doesn't love you, Jen?

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Who doesn't love you?

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This is the thing though, right?

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We can't, and this is

like old saying, isn't it?

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You can't, no, not everyone

can love you or like you.

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Yeah.

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You know, that's up to them.

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Not everyone's cup of tea at you.

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Yeah, that one, yeah.

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That's it.

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That's it.

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Um, where am I going with that?

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Yeah, so self judgment is huge, and

the one thing I would say on that as

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well is I've massively learned, and

I, like you said, I still do it now,

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we're not bloody perfect, are we?

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But, um, it's been so hard

on ourselves all the time.

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Yeah, it's huge.

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It's so, so big, and how much energy

are we wasting by thinking of this,

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like, you know, Do they like me?

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Do I like them?

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No.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't.

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So talk me through then.

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So when you, when you listen to

that episode and you thought,

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right, okay, yeah, this, this is

where I want to see things go in.

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What made you take that?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think that started planting

the seeds, just listening to these

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different things and then, uh, I

think being outdoors, so I, I've never

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avoided being outdoors, but I realized

I didn't really embrace the outdoors.

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And just so I think March we

went into lockdown, didn't we?

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And I live near, you might be

familiar with it, Helen, a beautiful

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gardens called Klein Gardens.

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Gorgeous.

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And I would walk through there

and then around May time, so

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during lockdown still now.

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Just, it started to bloom and the

bluebells were the first thing that

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struck me and I was like, oh my word,

how have I never ever noticed this?

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Been living here for a few years.

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Have you not?

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How have I never noticed this?

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Gemma!

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I know.

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What?

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And I think if you're a teacher, coming

from a teacher, May is the most stressful

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time because the exams are about to start.

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start, you're trying to finish

courses, marking coursework.

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So I never used to step

foot out of the house.

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So I think that connection

with nature was massive.

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Uh, and wanting them to be outdoors.

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These little seeds have been planted.

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I then read a book caught by Vex

King, um, called Good Life, Good

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Vibes or Good Vibes, Good Life.

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Um, the first.

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Three quarters was all right, but the

last quarter was all about going for it.

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And the realization came,

okay, what is your passion?

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I just love exercise.

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I've in the past tried to delve into

it thinking I'm going to do my level

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two, but never got around to it.

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So during lockdown, then when we went

back to school, that just the summertime

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and it was hell on earth, we had

five pupils in a classroom with me.

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And then I had cameras on me with

other classrooms watching me with

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teachers in those classrooms and

all these cameras, it was awful.

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Yeah.

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So during that time I was like,

right, I'm going to do it.

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I'm going to do my level two.

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Um, so started doing that.

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Then I had loads of friends who wanted to

be guinea pigs to do personal training.

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We kind of came out with that lockdown.

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So I was doing personal

training with them.

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Then we hit that Christmas lockdown.

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Oh God.

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I don't know if you remember.

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Oh, I do.

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I do.

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Yeah.

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I know.

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It's funny you remember, isn't it?

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I remember crying a lot.

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Yeah.

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I bet.

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You just see your freedom.

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Mum friends.

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And then Christmas with family.

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Oh God.

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So that, one of my PT clients said,

Gemma, why don't you go online?

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And I'm like, I'm not going to go online.

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There's so much out there online already.

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What is this online?

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Um, anyway, I did.

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And within the first week, I had 30

women signed up to do my classes.

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I was doing three classes a week.

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So.

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Faisley Fitts, the name didn't exist then.

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It was like, oh, okay, I've got these

women who want to train with me.

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No, it was just an idea that

let's get some fitness going.

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Um, and then I think the Vex King

thing was in my head when he was

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just, you know, go for it, manifest

it, believe it, believe in yourself.

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and go for it.

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I've got a very supportive husband

who, despite his job not being secure,

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like a teaching job, um, he said he

would support me, whatever my decision.

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And things just kept growing.

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So we did come up with a brand

name there and Feasley Fit started.

404

:

But the vision was that I drop a day every

day in Uh, every year in work, I'd drop

405

:

a day and try and build physically fit.

406

:

Yeah, I know.

407

:

And then, so that vision

was in March, uh, February.

408

:

Yeah.

409

:

Then by March, we were still

in lockdown at this point.

410

:

Um, I had 90 women signed up.

411

:

Online timing though as well.

412

:

So yeah, fitness industry,

Christmas, brilliant.

413

:

Yeah.

414

:

So I had 90 women signed up by March.

415

:

Things were going brilliant.

416

:

I was head of science in school.

417

:

And I thought I can't do both.

418

:

It's not fair on the school.

419

:

It's not fair on these women.

420

:

Yeah.

421

:

Um, so I'm not fair on you either.

422

:

I'm not fair on me.

423

:

Yeah.

424

:

Yeah.

425

:

You've got the most important person.

426

:

Yeah.

427

:

I'm not fair on you.

428

:

So I went to my head and asked, can I

drop a day and keep head of science?

429

:

So he agreed.

430

:

And then two weeks went by and I

was like, I still can't do this.

431

:

I think it was over East Holdings

then I was having time to reflect.

432

:

And I, um, um, so no, just before East

Holdings, I went in and I said, can I

433

:

drop a day and drop head of science?

434

:

So he's like, yeah.

435

:

He agreed.

436

:

Then he used to hold it,

and I was like, this is it.

437

:

Yeah.

438

:

Yeah.

439

:

I read the book again.

440

:

I read the book for a second time,

The Vex King, and Rich agreed with me.

441

:

So I went in, knocked on my head's

door, and happened to be my deputy.

442

:

My head was sat there,

and they were like, oh no.

443

:

No, I didn't know what

you were going to say.

444

:

And I was like, yeah.

445

:

Um, and that's it.

446

:

Do you know what though, to fair play

to have as well, you know, fortunate

447

:

to have a supportive, um, School that

allowed you to, to drop those days

448

:

and obviously, you know, support you

in, in your outside of work goal.

449

:

And I, you know, I did, and I do,

I'm still in contact with them.

450

:

I have a, I had a lush,

um, supportive group.

451

:

Yeah.

452

:

And there's not many physics, well,

speaking physicists out there.

453

:

So I think they didn't want to

lose me because of that as well.

454

:

Oh my God.

455

:

I can imagine.

456

:

Like, I don't know if I've mentioned this

to you before, but like when I was in

457

:

school, It was just double science, and it

wasn't the separation in my school anyway.

458

:

We, that's what we did, double science.

459

:

Yeah, double science, but it

wasn't even like, you know,

460

:

what is it, biology, chemistry?

461

:

Oh, they taught them all together.

462

:

Yeah, it was just one.

463

:

I know I, I really didn't like science.

464

:

Sorry, Jen, but I think it comes down

to the teacher and my, my teachers.

465

:

Well, anyway, I'm talking, I'm going

to where my teacher's in high school.

466

:

I'm going to be there all day.

467

:

Um, right, so you decided.

468

:

That's it.

469

:

I'm done.

470

:

I'm done with the teaching.

471

:

Okay.

472

:

That's a huge change, right?

473

:

Going from having the stable

income, the security, you know.

474

:

A manager.

475

:

Telling me what to do.

476

:

Telling you what to do.

477

:

Your routine, just gone.

478

:

Just gone.

479

:

And it's a choice that you

made, which is obviously turns

480

:

out to be very unsuccessful.

481

:

Yeah.

482

:

What are, in that transition

period, is there anything you think?

483

:

Oh my god, what would I

have done differently?

484

:

I'm not someone to dwell on the past,

you know, I think everything worked.

485

:

The way it did.

486

:

And I am so thankful for all that just

timing and you know, the women around

487

:

me, the support, my husband, family.

488

:

Um, I don't think I do anything different.

489

:

I did struggles the first, when I,

that first week, when the kids went

490

:

back to school and the first time

ever, I didn't go back to school.

491

:

And I sat in this room in silence.

492

:

Now, considering I've been a

teacher all my life where you

493

:

never get silence in the school.

494

:

I was like, What have I done?

495

:

What do I do?

496

:

That must have been

such a strange feeling.

497

:

Really, really strange.

498

:

What did you do?

499

:

Uh, I did cry a bit . I was like,

oh my word, what have I done?

500

:

Wonderful.

501

:

But I'm quite, um, I am an open book,

so I reached out to some friends.

502

:

I'm like, I need a chat, please.

503

:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

504

:

So they would reassure me and,

um, yeah, yeah, I soon built up my

505

:

calendar and yeah, things were busy.

506

:

Yeah, I don't get that.

507

:

I'd love that time Now, say in silence.

508

:

Hang on a minute.

509

:

We'll come onto that in a bit,

but yeah, that, just, that

510

:

realization of, of just having.

511

:

What you've actually, what, you know,

the reason you've left to have, to

512

:

have that option of being able to sit

in silence must have been massive,

513

:

actually, and I think we often take

things like that for kind of, you know,

514

:

Not for granted, but when you, when

you actually get what you've set out to

515

:

achieve, it can be a bit overwhelming.

516

:

Yeah.

517

:

Because you're like, oh shit,

right, I've actually got this now.

518

:

What am I going to do with it?

519

:

And have I made the right decision?

520

:

Yeah.

521

:

You know, was there ever a

point where you thought, Oh, I'm

522

:

gonna, no, I need to go back.

523

:

I need to go back.

524

:

No, even though I was like,

oh my word, what have I done?

525

:

I never thought I want to go back.

526

:

That sounds awful.

527

:

I love teaching.

528

:

I love teaching, but all teachers,

I'm sure when I say this will relate.

529

:

Yeah.

530

:

It's so tough.

531

:

And it's so stressful.

532

:

But again, I know I put that stress

on reflecting out the stress on

533

:

myself and that was good for me.

534

:

And I felt like I had to stay in work

late every night and and there's probably

535

:

things I do different now in hindsight.

536

:

However, it is a very

demanding and stressful job.

537

:

And if teachers didn't have

those long holidays, there would

538

:

be no teachers in the world

because they need those holidays.

539

:

Yeah.

540

:

Just in the defense.

541

:

Oh, no, I've got a lot of respect.

542

:

I've got a lot of, I've still got

a lot of teacher friends, but I've

543

:

interviewed a few teachers that have,

that have actually left careers and gone

544

:

on to do other things, um, coaching,

stationery, and just gone to know what

545

:

I've had, I've had enough of being that

person that is non stop all the time.

546

:

So, right.

547

:

So now you've created This fantastic

brand, business, and I am a member and the

548

:

reason I wanted to get Gemma on is, um,

which I know I've said this to you Gemma,

549

:

but I'll say it to the audience as well.

550

:

So, recently moved from Cardiff

to Swansea, which is not that

551

:

far, it's like an hour, and I

know Swansea like, fairly well.

552

:

I've got, we've moved here to be with

close to James's family and a support, but

553

:

I felt completely lost when I got here.

554

:

Um, situation, I was living with James's

now, and we've only just moved into

555

:

our new house, and, All of this stuff.

556

:

And I, I could not find a

gym that was really easily

557

:

accessible to me that I liked.

558

:

And I was like, right, there's

got to be something more.

559

:

There's got to be something more.

560

:

And I attended one of your classes,

and I was just like, oh my god.

561

:

I feel, and I still feel this

now, even though I haven't

562

:

been this week, but hang on.

563

:

I can honestly say this hands on

heart that What you have created,

564

:

um, for somebody that's not from the

area, doesn't know you from Adam, as

565

:

it happens, uh, husbands like know

each other when they're like 16 or

566

:

something, but actually you have

created a community that is welcoming.

567

:

It's It feels easy, it feels easy

for me to go and do exercise,

568

:

sometimes in the bloody rain,

you know, I love it, I love it.

569

:

I've been, I'm the opposite to you,

I've always been outdoors, I've always

570

:

loved going outdoors, walking, not

running, but being out with the dog.

571

:

Um, you know, lived, loved

being outdoors and spent.

572

:

Like a lot of time outdoors and for those

who haven't mentioned this now, but you

573

:

know, most of your classes are outdoors.

574

:

Outdoors, yeah.

575

:

Why, let's talk about that a minute.

576

:

So why are they mostly outdoors?

577

:

Yeah.

578

:

Um, so that going back to that initial

first lockdown and that time I spent, um,

579

:

on my morning walks really opened my eyes

to the benefits of being with nature.

580

:

Yeah.

581

:

Um, and like you said, it's not about

running in nature, just being in nature,

582

:

just go and sit in a park, just be around.

583

:

Trees, plants, maybe even hug a tree.

584

:

I have done that once.

585

:

I've got a friend who

does it all the time.

586

:

It's really, really good for you.

587

:

So my coach always says,

I'm just out in nature.

588

:

I was like, right, Ann, don't

start licking those trees now.

589

:

Only, only give them a bit of a hug.

590

:

But it is really good.

591

:

And just seeing and feeling the changes

of seasons, all these things I experienced

592

:

in lockdown, that made me think, do

you know what, because my husband spoke

593

:

to me, Oh, maybe you should go inside.

594

:

The numbers are going

down when this rain ended.

595

:

And I was like, no, because I feel

so strong that even being out in

596

:

the rain, and I've got to say.

597

:

When we do a class, the class

is where it's hammering it down.

598

:

Those are the classes where the

women give the biggest cheers because

599

:

they feel like they've achieved so

much that they have worked so hard

600

:

against all whatever nature's throwing

at them and they push through.

601

:

The forces.

602

:

Yeah.

603

:

It's just such an invigorating feeling.

604

:

I had a few women who were like, Oh,

I can, but I won't come in the rain.

605

:

And then when they've attended that

first one, they're like, and they

606

:

realize what they've been missing out on.

607

:

And it is, it's, um,

it's something special.

608

:

And, you know, like this week now we've

been blessed with some lovely sunshine.

609

:

And then that contrast from the rain

and that feel of, I achieved it.

610

:

So just being out and feeling that sun

on your face and just moving the body.

611

:

And it's just such a lush experience.

612

:

Um, so we have spoken,

I say, we, me and Rich.

613

:

Rich is like, he's really good

at just giving ideas and stuff.

614

:

But I'm like, no, I, I

refuse to go indoors.

615

:

It's what makes us different.

616

:

Like we have the most beautiful.

617

:

Beautiful gym.

618

:

Yeah.

619

:

Nature outside.

620

:

It's just so lovely.

621

:

And you know, where we, where I live is

we've got so down a black pill and then

622

:

we've got Klein Gardens where we go in the

summer and it's, you know, it's gorgeous.

623

:

It is.

624

:

And just, um, for those that don't

live where we are right now, so.

625

:

Black Pearl is an area of

Swansea that overlooks the

626

:

beach, like it's just fantastic.

627

:

It's a lovely space and Cline Gardens

is a beautiful, um, yeah, full of

628

:

green, full of green trees and grass.

629

:

And there's so much science on,

um, being with nature and the

630

:

benefits of being out in nature.

631

:

So much.

632

:

Yeah.

633

:

So much more than we realize actually.

634

:

And if I'm like negotiables is I

go out for a walk, Like every day,

635

:

obviously I go out with a dog, but

if I can as well, I'll go on my own.

636

:

Um, yeah, I'm saying I'm, that's

like, set in stone, but pretty much.

637

:

When you can, yeah.

638

:

Yeah, yeah.

639

:

I'd say 75 percent of my

week is, is doing that.

640

:

And the other one is, you know.

641

:

I think that's a very good non negotiable.

642

:

Having kids and stuff as well.

643

:

Um, and also from a business

point of view, right, saving.

644

:

Yeah.

645

:

You're not paying.

646

:

Well, I am.

647

:

I pay for the, for the land.

648

:

I do pay the council for doing it, but

it wouldn't be as much as owning a space.

649

:

Do you pay for growing gardens?

650

:

Mm.

651

:

What?

652

:

I know, which is ridiculous.

653

:

I know.

654

:

I'm picking, well, I won't go into

what I'm picking up before class, but.

655

:

Okay.

656

:

All right.

657

:

Yeah.

658

:

That's another story.

659

:

That's something I didn't know.

660

:

That's interesting.

661

:

Isn't it interesting the council can

get away with that when it's Yeah.

662

:

You can just go and sit

there and sit down for free.

663

:

Hmm.

664

:

Okay.

665

:

But ultimately, though, you're

still saving money on On gas,

666

:

electricity, yeah, everything.

667

:

Absolutely.

668

:

Rent, yeah.

669

:

Yeah, you don't have those operations

outgoing, which is fantastic.

670

:

Okay, so you've created

this fantastic community.

671

:

Um, And tell us about something else

that you've just had into your bow that

672

:

now, you know, you've got this time and

it's like, oh, let's just add more stuff.

673

:

Typical, typical entrepreneur.

674

:

Yeah.

675

:

So I think what's been, um, maybe

not shocked me about Feasley

676

:

Fit, but what has, um, probably

overtaken the fitness side of things.

677

:

I think people come to Feasley Fit for the

fitness, but they stay for the community.

678

:

And the community has

just been a huge thing.

679

:

And I'm so grateful for

members like yourself, Helen.

680

:

I've got such a, an amazing, diverse,

um, highly skilled group of women who

681

:

like me, when I was teaching, Um, a lot

of working flat out and the only time

682

:

they get themselves is coming to class.

683

:

And I know they all have hidden passions,

which they haven't been able to explore.

684

:

So I thought, so how can we help this

current community more to find those

685

:

passions and then use those passions?

686

:

Because that's what, um, is really

going to feed that soul, isn't it?

687

:

Yeah, so come up with Feastly Fit Kick, or

it's called the Communed Feastly Fit Kick.

688

:

Now a KICK is a community

interest company.

689

:

Yeah.

690

:

So it's a not-for-profit,

um, uh, business.

691

:

Mm-Hmm, . So we essentially apply for

grants and then those grants fund certain

692

:

events, courses, and the aim is to use

our current community fiercely fit.

693

:

Um, and their skills and passions to

then help the wider, um, area to help

694

:

improve the well being of people.

695

:

wider Swansea, Neath Port

Talbot and maybe beyond.

696

:

Yeah, absolutely.

697

:

I, when you said about doing this, all

right, I'm just adding more things, but

698

:

actually for the benefits that, um, a

kick or community interest, um, can bring,

699

:

it's just fast and, you know, for having

somebody like you that's so caring of.

700

:

other people and thinking what else

can I do for them that's actually going

701

:

to be a not for profit is incredible.

702

:

So, well done.

703

:

It's one of the things.

704

:

Um, so with, with Fiercely Fit then in the

fitness community, we've talked a little

705

:

bit about, you know, the transition,

um, the benefits of just being outdoors

706

:

and, you know, as a, not even just as

a parent, just as a person, you know.

707

:

If you're feeling that these four walls

are getting to you, one of my top tips,

708

:

as I've said, have a non negotiable

right and bloody get outdoors, change

709

:

your environment, that I'm sure,

and if there's not something like

710

:

Fiercely Fit in your, in your area,

then maybe message Gemma and we can,

711

:

uh, we can set up a little, uh, Yeah.

712

:

A little franchise, maybe.

713

:

We'll set something up in there.

714

:

That's my dog.

715

:

That's your dog.

716

:

Oh, well, shall I let her out?

717

:

Yeah.

718

:

Yeah.

719

:

Go for it.

720

:

This is, uh, this is human.

721

:

This is why I love these, uh,

podcasts because when the dog needs

722

:

to go out, he needs to go out.

723

:

Okay.

724

:

I was tactically holding the camera then,

so you couldn't see the mess behind me.

725

:

Yeah.

726

:

Like I showed you mine off

camera, I won't do that.

727

:

So right, what's your top tips for

anyone that's thinking of starting

728

:

out in Um, so it has to be something

that you're passionate about, that

729

:

you love, but that's, I think goes

without saying, if you're not really

730

:

interested in it, don't start it.

731

:

Yeah.

732

:

Um, it has to provide a service

or support or something that

733

:

people are willing to pay for.

734

:

Um, so it's gotta be a need out

there, like a need from the customer.

735

:

Yeah.

736

:

Um, so I think that's really

important and probably something

737

:

I haven't highlighted here.

738

:

So it's like, we've spoken

about me building Feasley Fit.

739

:

I have been super lucky that I've

got an amazing team behind me.

740

:

And when I say team within Feasley

Fit themselves, itself, I've got,

741

:

um, members who are running choir

for me, book club, netball, and

742

:

all of this is done voluntary.

743

:

I'm not paying them.

744

:

So I've been super lucky, like the kick.

745

:

Now I've got, uh, one of my members,

Emily, who is leading the kick and doing

746

:

all the behind the scenes work, the

majority of it, so I'm super grateful for.

747

:

Um, so you can't do it alone, even

though this is Feastly Event with

748

:

Gemma Pew, it's not, it's, it's much

more than that and, um, Yeah, it's

749

:

realizing that you can't do it alone.

750

:

So you do need that support.

751

:

Yeah, it's, you know what?

752

:

It's a massive thing there.

753

:

And funny enough, just before we came on

to record this, I was doing a coaching

754

:

call and we were chatting in there about,

it's like, you can't do it on your own.

755

:

If it's not your zone of genius

as well, delegate it out.

756

:

Don't spend your energy wasting your

own time and energy, which giving it

757

:

to somebody else that loves doing that

or is really good at doing something.

758

:

And it's about finding that.

759

:

That network, isn't it?

760

:

I don't know if I'm asking you about

finding your tribe, but it's like

761

:

finding that network of people that

will not only support you, but will

762

:

be able to grow themselves as well

and taking those opportunities on.

763

:

Um, so yeah, I love that

because you're right, you know.

764

:

If you do it all, you'll end

up burning out because you

765

:

cannot do everything yourself.

766

:

Um, and I guess from, you know, we,

you've said there about you've had, you've

767

:

also got a supportive family, you know,

very, very lucky to be in that position.

768

:

Um, even if you don't have that supportive

family behind you and you're really

769

:

still passionate and you really want

to do something, then still do it.

770

:

Yeah.

771

:

Because whatever you, whatever you do.

772

:

You've, you've taken that step to do

it and you can always bloody go back.

773

:

You can always go back.

774

:

Right.

775

:

You're not going to go forward.

776

:

You're always going to go forward.

777

:

But you can.

778

:

And I get, I think that's always been in

the back of my mind that if it doesn't,

779

:

what happens if it doesn't work out?

780

:

I've had that question of lots of people.

781

:

I go back to teaching.

782

:

You know, I, I'm an, and I am a

lucky situation there because I'm

783

:

a Welsh speaking physicist and

there's not many of them around.

784

:

So I know.

785

:

Without sounding, you know,

that I, I would get a job,

786

:

but, um, yeah, you can go back.

787

:

And I think the fear is one of

the biggest things, isn't it?

788

:

The stocks people, you know,

I've had the loads of questions.

789

:

What about the, what about your pension?

790

:

That's another one.

791

:

Oh God.

792

:

It's like, I, I think during

the lockdown time as well, I

793

:

thought I could die tomorrow.

794

:

So, you know, come on,

let's do this now or never.

795

:

Um, and a lot of people

don't have pensions.

796

:

Lots of people are not in a position where

they've been and has a corporate pension.

797

:

Um, my, my husband's left, uh,

police after 17 years, you know,

798

:

and I was like, you know, I could

support you whenever you want to do.

799

:

And so many people said to

him, what about the pension?

800

:

Give a shit, right?

801

:

You're, you're right there.

802

:

Okay.

803

:

Life is too short.

804

:

We'll find other ways.

805

:

We'll find other ways.

806

:

Yeah.

807

:

And let's just quickly

touch on that, that fear.

808

:

Yeah.

809

:

Um, because it does come up for a lot of

people and not just when you're starting

810

:

a business, but when you're, you're

growing and when you're going, you know,

811

:

thinking of maybe pivoting the business

or change it or add in or, you know,

812

:

taking something away, that fear kicks in.

813

:

Have you had that?

814

:

Yeah.

815

:

Yeah.

816

:

You know, fear is there

to protect us, isn't it?

817

:

Mm-Hmm.

818

:

It is.

819

:

Back in the olden days when

we, I dunno, there was a, a

820

:

yp with tiger hanging around.

821

:

Ah, . The fear's good, right?

822

:

Yeah.

823

:

Because you run, keeps you safe.

824

:

Yeah.

825

:

So your mind's always looking for

worst case scenario to protect you.

826

:

Mm-Hmm.

827

:

. And maybe being aware of that to

start with helps is the first thing.

828

:

Yeah.

829

:

Um, I think it's just

growing some balls sometimes.

830

:

Isn't it being like,

do you know what, what?

831

:

Ask yourself what's the

worst that can happen?

832

:

So if I'm gonna do this now Yeah.

833

:

Like, what is the worst that can happen?

834

:

If I start feas Fit, I try it,

it fails, I go back to teaching.

835

:

Yeah, absolutely.

836

:

And also something to, to, uh,

sort of reframe that as well is

837

:

what can I gain from doing this?

838

:

Mm-Hmm.

839

:

What can I gain rather than maybe

what's, you know, that's good.

840

:

What I'm not.

841

:

Yeah.

842

:

What can I.

843

:

What can I gain?

844

:

What can you gain from doing something?

845

:

And did you know you were

only born with two fears?

846

:

Oh, I did know this because I'm

sure I've heard this in a quiz.

847

:

Right, so there's the fear of falling.

848

:

Yes.

849

:

Yeah, I've heard this somewhere.

850

:

And the fear of starvation.

851

:

No, no.

852

:

So yeah, definitely.

853

:

We're only born with two fears.

854

:

One is fear of falling and

the other is loud noises.

855

:

Everything else is learned behavior.

856

:

So when you're thinking about

that fear kicking in, just remind,

857

:

remind yourself of those two things.

858

:

And we've learned everything

else, so we can unlearn it.

859

:

We can not, we can

choose not to be fearful.

860

:

But as you said, fear does keep us safe.

861

:

And I always say, just embrace

it, um, embrace it and think

862

:

about what you can gain.

863

:

I'm really conscious of the time,

um, cause I knew I could just,

864

:

I talked to you for forever.

865

:

Um, okay.

866

:

Ah, I was enjoying that.

867

:

I'm not going to stop.

868

:

I'm not going to stop.

869

:

So, we've done a bit of a top

tip there, just go for it anyway.

870

:

Um, I want to ask you though, Jan, now,

because you look after everyone else.

871

:

How do you, how do you

really look after you?

872

:

When was the last time

you did something for you?

873

:

Well, I've actually, a friend

of mine bought me this, um,

874

:

washer, I think, a face thing.

875

:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

876

:

So I booked in, I booked in for next week.

877

:

I had, she's given it to

me about two months ago.

878

:

I booked in.

879

:

Amazing.

880

:

Okay.

881

:

I do now.

882

:

So one thing I couldn't do when

I was teaching was go for brunch.

883

:

Oh, I love brunch.

884

:

I love going for brunch now.

885

:

So once a week I make sure I go

for brunch with someone, whether

886

:

it's my husband or a friend.

887

:

Friend.

888

:

Love that.

889

:

I do do that.

890

:

Okay.

891

:

Um, and.

892

:

When I was teaching, I don't know.

893

:

I dunno why, but I, I, I was

never into traveling ever.

894

:

And I think 'cause in school

time you can't obviously Yeah.

895

:

You can't go.

896

:

And then it's so expensive in school

holidays, maybe that's why, I dunno,

897

:

. But now I wanna travel all the time.

898

:

amazing.

899

:

Rich just told me stop.

900

:

'cause I said last night, oh

well I wanna book somewhere.

901

:

We've got some things lined up.

902

:

Do it.

903

:

Do it.

904

:

Yeah.

905

:

Well, and this is the reason, right?

906

:

You've started your own business

to, to enjoy the adventures

907

:

that you wanna take on.

908

:

Do you know what?

909

:

If you wanna look after yourself

a bit more, book something for

910

:

you, go on your own somewhere.

911

:

Yeah.

912

:

Yeah.

913

:

I'd love it.

914

:

I would love to do it.

915

:

It's my, it's my 40th year this year.

916

:

Oh, so I need to do something.

917

:

Yeah.

918

:

Something crazy.

919

:

Maybe I'll do that.

920

:

I go on holiday, do that.

921

:

Yeah.

922

:

Ab bloody, absolutely.

923

:

I God, yeah.

924

:

Do it.

925

:

Do something for you every single day.

926

:

Even if it's something really

small, like five, 10 minutes, just.

927

:

Sitting down, reading a book,

whatever that looks like.

928

:

Interestingly, right, so when

you're in lockdown, you took

929

:

time for yourself every day.

930

:

Every day after I walk.

931

:

We don't do it.

932

:

We don't do it because we

fill it with other things.

933

:

Yeah.

934

:

And how did you feel when

you were taking those walks?

935

:

Yeah, I know.

936

:

Yeah.

937

:

Life changing.

938

:

Life change.

939

:

Okay.

940

:

Right.

941

:

I'm going to do some quick fire,

quick fire questions at you.

942

:

So.

943

:

Just as I like to do this.

944

:

Coffee or tea?

945

:

Tea.

946

:

100%.

947

:

Don't like coffee.

948

:

I drink too much tea.

949

:

I drink about 20 cups a day.

950

:

Oh my god.

951

:

Funny, I haven't drank tea for ages.

952

:

Right.

953

:

Okay.

954

:

Um, Beach or snow?

955

:

Beach.

956

:

Salt and vinegar or cheese and onion?

957

:

Cheese and onion.

958

:

My kids hate it but I

actually am cheese and onion.

959

:

I hate salt and vinegar.

960

:

Oh my god, sorry.

961

:

Okay, sweets or chocolate?

962

:

What's that?

963

:

Sweets or chocolate?

964

:

Yeah.

965

:

Chocolate.

966

:

Chocolate.

967

:

And I know obviously we, actually we

haven't touched on the sugar thing.

968

:

So just very quickly before I, before

I sign us off, um, there's this app

969

:

which both of us use called Yuka.

970

:

Y U K A.

971

:

It's incredible for, so both Gemma and

I have, So I'm like, well, ham, right?

972

:

Ham is one of these things.

973

:

It's so convenient.

974

:

Like my girls love, like, it's

just Ham and anything, yeah.

975

:

Oh, God.

976

:

And I give it to them.

977

:

But this Yucca app, it's brilliant.

978

:

You basically can scan any barcode

and it'll tell you if they've got,

979

:

um, added salt, if it's good, if

it's poor, um, loads of Additives.

980

:

So they're emulsifiers.

981

:

Yeah, all of the, all of the

crap that comes in stuff.

982

:

So if you don't think anything

else away from this podcast,

983

:

the Yucca app, it's really good.

984

:

Um, okay.

985

:

So question I always ask all of my

guests, because food is life for me.

986

:

I love food.

987

:

What's your favorite cake, Jan?

988

:

For a cake.

989

:

Mmm.

990

:

Um, I'd say carrot cake.

991

:

Carrot cake.

992

:

I do like a carrot cake.

993

:

Nice.

994

:

And moist.

995

:

It's got to be moist.

996

:

Oh, it's definitely got to be moist.

997

:

Yeah, and it's got to have

that nice icing on top.

998

:

Oh, the icing on the top is

the most important thing.

999

:

Yeah.

:

00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:57,259

It really is.

:

00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,430

Carrot cake with moist and good ice cream.

:

00:42:59,590 --> 00:43:01,030

Okay, amazing.

:

00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:05,040

It's been wonderful to talk to

you and if people are interested

:

00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,190

in learning more about Jambapoo,

Fiercely Fit, anything about the

:

00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:12,030

kick, how and where can we find you?

:

00:43:12,605 --> 00:43:12,775

Yeah.

:

00:43:12,775 --> 00:43:16,685

So I have an Instagram page called

Freezly Fit with Gemma Pugh.

:

00:43:17,045 --> 00:43:23,065

I also offer Helen for your listeners

who live away, uh, virtual programs.

:

00:43:23,105 --> 00:43:27,115

We do four workouts a week online,

live, or this then on demand.

:

00:43:27,125 --> 00:43:30,065

So if they want to check that out,

they can see that on my Instagram page.

:

00:43:30,595 --> 00:43:33,235

Uh, the website is www.

:

00:43:33,585 --> 00:43:33,735

freezlyfit.

:

00:43:33,775 --> 00:43:33,935

co.

:

00:43:33,955 --> 00:43:34,735

uk.

:

00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:39,740

And we have a Facebook, a Facebook,

a Facebook group called Gemma Pugh,

:

00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:44,649

Feasily Fit or Feasily Fit with Gemma

Pugh, one, one way round to the other.

:

00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:45,260

Amazing.

:

00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:45,580

Amazing.

:

00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:51,120

And actually just on that, um,

the online stuff, I know, cause

:

00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,230

we talk about being outdoors, but

obviously not everyone can join.

:

00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:55,435

Yeah.

:

00:43:55,435 --> 00:43:58,790

And not just a moment, if

you've got this stuff going on.

:

00:43:59,070 --> 00:44:03,860

Um, but actually the other night it was

like 10 to six and I've got, James was

:

00:44:03,860 --> 00:44:07,665

away working The twins were in, it was

just the three of us, and I was like,

:

00:44:07,705 --> 00:44:09,655

I'm desperate, I need to do something.

:

00:44:09,655 --> 00:44:12,985

And I'm very much, I don't like

doing things on my own, I like

:

00:44:12,985 --> 00:44:15,095

somebody to kind of guide me.

:

00:44:15,485 --> 00:44:19,465

Um, and Gemma sent this message

on the group saying I'm started

:

00:44:19,465 --> 00:44:21,705

in 10 minutes, lower, lower body.

:

00:44:21,725 --> 00:44:25,153

And I was like, yes, I literally,

I literally was brilliant,

:

00:44:25,153 --> 00:44:26,619

I was absolutely shattered.

:

00:44:26,619 --> 00:44:32,090

So there's that opportunity if you're

just sat down, you know, Having that,

:

00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:33,600

shall I do something, shall I not?

:

00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:34,240

There's the opportunity.

:

00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:35,160

Half an hour.

:

00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:35,760

Felt amazing.

:

00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,660

Yeah, that was it.

:

00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:37,290

Felt amazing.

:

00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:38,040

Yes, fab.

:

00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,160

Fantastic.

:

00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:41,790

Well, thank you so much,

Joan, for being a guest today.

:

00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,080

Um, yeah, it's been

wonderful to talk to you.

:

00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:44,570

Thank you.

:

00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:45,560

Thank you for having me.

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Fabulous & Female
Hello and welcome to Fabulous & Female! For women who are running their own businesses and want advice, guidance and great tips that they can take forward for business growth, better balanced life and most importantly to avoid burnout, then this is for you!

Featuring fantastic guest interviews, you will get to hear inspirational stories behind successful female entrepreneurs, plus the real life dramas that happen behind the scenes. Between guest interviews, listen in to hear the host talk about her own business experiences and share tips and knowledge gained over many years of business life, plus the huge changes made from bricks and mortar businesses to coaching.

Each week, these honest, funny and ‘keeping it real’ conversations show the ups and downs in the life of an entrepreneur.

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Helen Corsi-Cadmore

Helen Corsi-Cadmore:
An award-winning Business, Mindset and Fertility Coach, an NLP Master practitioner, Hypnotherapist and mum to twin girls.
Having built a successful career in property, and then turning her hand to owning a large multi-million-pound retail business, Helen is now a successful coach that helps people achieve their true desires by being a positive disruption!
Huge lover of fresh air, coffee and cake and dogs!

Jane Mack:
A bestselling Author, Visibility Coach, and mum to two boys.
Jane’s first business was a successful holiday letting agency she owned with her husband before selling it to a national company. She moved into business consultancy before realising a passion for coaching.
After going through her own visibility journey she now helps women be visible in their businesses, because she believes no one should feel they have to hide because of fear.